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Part X : 1987-1990 Poona-Two : Controversy
with: Christians
The man who has written the book is very rare, because he himself
is a Christian but without any prejudice. He has been almost a
witness while writing the book. He rates me above Jesus—his
conclusions on every point are in my favor, against Jesus—and
he himself is a Christian….
But Peter Priskil has shown such honesty in comparison that
at first I felt perhaps he is not a Christian, because he goes
on condemning Jesus when comparing him with me, and goes on praising
me.
I liked his tremendous honesty, love of truth, his capacity
to put his mind aside—his whole programming of being a Christian.
He has not allowed it to come between me and Jesus. His unconscious
would have liked to have put Jesus above me. That's why I say
it is a rare phenomenon that he has not listened to the unconscious.
He has been perfectly conscious, without any prejudice; he has
been absolutely just.
But I want Peter Priskil to know that I don't like to be compared
with anybody. yaku02
He writes in his book a few very revealing facts about why in
Germany the whole news media is creating rumors and lies about
me. And that's what people read, that's what people believe….
This man writes that all the magazines that go on propagating
against me in Germany are owned by the Christians, Catholics or
Protestants. So they cut out anything that will strike a sympathetic
note in people's minds. They just go on creating antagonism; on
any point, they invent something. And it is very easy to invent
lies. fire06
Just a few days ago, the editor of Illustrated Weekly wrote an
article about me in which he said a few significant things. He
is not a religious person, neither does he believe in any spirituality.
But in our commune, what he saw and felt he could say was his
closest experience of spirituality.
Somebody from England wrote a very angry letter to him which was
published. The man said, "What has happened to you? Either
you have been bribed or you have been hypnotized." Looking
at his letter, it became something more important…Because
if anybody says any lies about me, if anybody is against me, nobody
will say to him, "You have been bribed by the enemies of
Shree Rajneesh." And nobody will say or even conceive that,
"You have been hypnotized by the people who are against Shree
Rajneesh."
Many people have told me, "We want to come, we want to understand.
But then people start saying, `You are being hypnotized. If you
are not saying anything against Shree Rajneesh then certainly
you are being hypnotized.'" hari27
Prem Hasya has been on a world tour with a project of creating
the atmosphere amongst scientists, artists, painters, musicians,
for a World Academy—which belongs to no race, to no religion,
to no nation, and whose concern is absolutely the whole world.
Just today she is back, and she reported to me that she had gone
to see the chief editor of the German newspaper, Die Welt. The
journalist who had taken her was immensely interested in the project
and wanted to write a detailed article about it. He could see
the potential of a World Academy of Creative Science, Art and
Consciousness as a defense against those who are preparing to
destroy the whole world in nuclear warfare.
But the journalist, of course, wanted to ask the permission of
the chief editor. Coming out of the chief editor's office he told
Hasya that the man had thumped the table and shouted, "I
am a Christian and I will protect the Fatherland!" when the
journalist had said he wanted to write a positive article about
Osho.
What kind of Christianity is this? Thumping on the table is showing
your immense violence. It does not indicate any relationship with
Jesus, who said, "Love your enemies…even love your
neighbors." Unfortunately he forgot to say, "Love your
tables." They are absolutely innocent…. Thumping the
table and calling himself a Christian is contradictory. Either
start learning drum-beating or be a Christian. To be a Christian…in
its essence, it is a message of love.
And unfortunately his famous newspaper is called Die Welt; in
English it means "The World." And exactly for that purpose
Hasya had gone there—to save the world from the destructive
politicians all around, all over the world. Right now there are
five nations with nuclear weapons; by the end of this century
there will be twenty-five members in the nuclear club. Every day
the possibility to save the world becomes less and less. He should
resign immediately from his newspaper. He does not deserve to
be the chief of a newspaper called "The World."
And he also seems stupid in saying, "I will protect my Fatherland."
Only German stupidity calls their country "Fatherland."
The whole world calls their country "Motherland," because
every child is born out of the mother, not out of the father!
The earth is our mother—that seems to be a more symbolic
and sensible proclamation than to call one's country the fatherland.
It is male chauvinistic. He is neither a Christian nor a gentleman,
and he is the chief editor of the famous German newspaper, "The
World."
I am going to send Hasya again: go directly to the chief editor,
and if he hits the table, hit on his head! He is fast asleep,
he needs to be awakened.
These are the people who are going to destroy the world. He talks
about protecting his fatherland and the whole purpose of the World
Academy is to bring you to your senses that now nations are out
of date—it is either the whole of humanity or no humanity.
cuckoo13
Just the other day I received a letter from a man who works for
Time magazine in America. He has asked two questions—one
is important for you. He says, "Your effort is to save humanity;
then why have you spoken against Jesus?"
In the first place, I am not making any effort to save anyone.
And I have spoken against Jesus because he was giving consolations
to people…"I will save you." That is the most
dangerous and poisonous statement. It makes you relaxed—you
need not worry, you simply believe in Jesus and he will save you.
On the last day of judgment, Jesus will sort out his sheep and
tell God, "These are my people." They will enter into
paradise, and the remaining humanity will fall into the abysmal
darkness of hell for eternity. I am against such consolations.
And the man seems to be a Jesus freak. He cannot even understand
what question he is asking. Who is saved by Jesus? He could not
save himself, and at the last moment on the cross he became utterly
disillusioned. Very few people have lived in such deep illusions
as Jesus Christ, because he believed he is the only begotten son
of God….
This man from Time magazine says to me, "You have come to
save humanity…" Who gave him that idea? I don't want
to save anybody. It is your business, why should I interfere in
your life? even if the interference is for the good. I can explain
my own experiences, I can indicate possible ways, but I am not
going to save anybody. You have to walk the path alone, without
any illusions.
Yes, certainly if I find someone just on the borderline, I will
push him. I am lazy, but that much I can do. mani08
Just the other day I received, from the same insane Catholic
man from the staff of Time magazine, another question: "You
teach love, you teach compassion; then why did the people of Oregon
in America become enemies to you?" I don't ordinarily reply
to people if I see that they are basically insane, and the question
shows insanity absolutely clearly. If he were intelligent enough,
first he should have asked, "Jesus has also preached love,
has preached compassion, has preached forgiveness—then why
was he crucified by the Jews?" If his question were relevant
and had not come from a Catholic prejudice, he would have seen
the contradiction. And certainly the people of Oregon have not
crucified me yet. mani12
There is now a new profession arising in the West of deprogrammers.
And many of my sannyasins have been forced…just now one
sannyasin is back from Canada. The parents had called her with
great love, saying, "Come here and visit because we have
not seen you for so long." And when the sannyasin reached
there, it was a totally different matter. They had two deprogrammers
arranged and they started talking against me and telling her that
I have brainwashed her. "You are living in a trance, in hypnosis,
and we are here to take you out of your trance." But the
reality is, they are brainwashing you!
I don't wash such dirty things. Only Christians do such dirty
things: they are brainwashing you and forcing you back again into
the old program.
They call themselves "deprogrammers." That is a wrong
word they are using for themselves; they are reprogrammers. What
has been thrown out by meditation, they are forcing back into
your head.
You will be facing this, many of you, when you go back home. Parents
have been known even to abduct their children—who are young
people, adults, and keep them physically imprisoned in houses
with deprogrammers who continuously harass them. And there is
a certain stage when you become very weak. If you are not allowed
to sleep for three days, on the fourth day you will become very
vulnerable. If somebody says: "God is," you don't have
enough strength to say no. Perhaps in this weakness…God
is born out of weakness, out of fear, out of dread, and they have
created all the dread and fear and weakness and now they say,
"God is. If you pray, everything will be alright."
These are reprogrammers. As far as I am concerned I have no interest
in your mind at all, or in your brain. My concern is far more
ultimate. It is beyond the mind. My function is to clean the space
of no-mind.
Those deprogrammers or reprogrammers have not even heard about
the no-mind. They are ordinary psychoanalysts turned into deprogrammers.
But they can do harm if you listen to them, so I have to tell
you because I received the letter from the Canadian sannyasin.
She said, "I have been treated very badly. I am still shaking.
All the old stuff that has been dropped they have again forced
into the mind."
So if you come across any deprogrammer, remember this. Rather
than them deprogramming you, you should deprogram them! Never
answer their questions. Whenever they ask you, answer with another
question. If they ask you, "Is there God?"—you
ask them, "Have you any proof? Give me the proof. I want
absolute evidence of God. And if you cannot prove his existence,
don't speak nonsense. Have you been to hell? Then how are you
back?—because from the Christian hell nobody comes back,
it is eternal. Do you know anything about hell?" If they
say no then ask them: "Do you know anything about heaven?
Have you seen Socrates in heaven? Have you seen Gautam Buddha
in heaven?—because these people did not believe in God."
fire03
Just today I have received all the literature from the American
Atheist Society. They have suffered immensely—you will not
believe it—just as our commune suffered in America. Again,
behind the government was the Christian church.
The woman who founded the Atheist Society has been jailed nineteen
times without any reason—and the American Constitution gives
the freedom to choose your religion or not to choose. It is your
personal affair, the state cannot interfere in it.
Her house has been burnt down by an American government agency,
the CIA. Her whole library has been destroyed. She has been beaten
for no reason at all. She had to escape to Hawaii just to save
her life.
Slowly slowly, more and more atheists started gathering, and finally
they founded the Atheist Society of America. In their literature
they also mention my name. They quote me as calling Jesus a nutcase….
My suggestion to the Atheist Society of America is to call your
society the Agnostic Society of America. Agnostic means one who
is searching for the truth; he is on the way, he is a seeker.
He is not a believer. He does not believe in theism, he does not
believe in atheism—because both are believers and both are
wrong. All believers are ignorant. In what they believe does not
matter. You believe in God, somebody believes in no God. yaku03
In his book, In God's Name, David Yallop exposes the corruption
of the Vatican. He tells how Pope John Paul—the pope before
this Polack pope—had ordered an investigation of the Vatican
Bank after reports that it was involved in money laundering.
The pope had also made it clear that under his direction the church
would approve of birth control.
Suddenly, after these two radical moves, thirty-three days after
being made pope, this healthy man died of a heart attack. His
personal notes, will, and medicine bottles mysteriously disappeared.
Before the cause of death could be confirmed, his body was embalmed,
a process which makes it impossible to detect the presence of
poison. Many people feel he was murdered….
As far as I can see, he was certainly murdered because he was
going against the criminal bank, and against the criminal attitude
of the Christians—they go on being against abortion, against
birth control pills, against any kind of method that can prevent
the population explosion.
This is not a unique case. 1seed03
The pope runs a bank in the Vatican. The Vatican is an independent
sovereign state—although it is only eight square miles—and
the Italian government has issued a warrant against the manager
of the bank, because the bank is doing only one thing: it is turning
all Italian mafia money into white money. That is its only source
of income. Otherwise from where…?
The pope goes on getting the money and wasting it. Now he is going
for a tour to America; estimated expenses will be twenty million
dollars. When he went to Australia his expenses were more than
Queen Elizabeth, who had visited just before him. All this money
is heroin money.
Now rather than allowing the Italian government to arrest the
man…they cannot enter into another country; they have to
wait for whenever the manager comes out. The manager was only
a bishop, but the pope has raised him into an archbishop, because
he has been doing such good work! pilgr18
Just the other day I received the information that this (present)
pope in his four years of office has made more than two thousand
people saints. It is a certificate. He goes on giving certificates
to all kinds of people who can donate money. Now the Catholic
church owns the biggest bank in the world—the Bank of America.
The Catholic church owns the greatest amount of land in the world—more
than any other country. zenman11
I am against America, Christianity, I am against President Ronald
Reagan, not because of personal hurts that they have done to me
and to my commune. I am against them because Ronald Reagan made
a tremendous wound in the whole intelligentsia of the world by
trying to burn all Charles Darwin's books—in every library,
in every college, in every school, in every university—because
it teaches evolution, and Christianity teaches creation. fire01
Just today I have received a letter from England. The English
postal department has started small advertisements on their envelopes;
it costs fifty thousand pounds per advertisement. And this advertisement
is really strange. It says, "Jesus is alive." I have
told my secretary to write to the person: "Please inform
us of his address, or at least his phone number. You have been
idiots to do this advertisement—this simply means that he
is not alive, because five billion people are alive and nobody
is advertising that, `I am alive.' Unless Jesus is dead there
is no point in advertising." yaahoo01
At the end of January, a group of students from a local Christian
seminary attend one discourse, and their questions are addressed
throughout the series: Christianity, The Greatest Poison and Zen,
The Antidote to all Poisons.
Just a few days ago there were twenty-one Christian missionaries
here. They have been at a seminary for seven years in Poona. Poona
is one of the centers for creating missionaries for the whole
of Asia.
For seven years they were not allowed by their principal even
to come close to the ashram. That day when their course was finished,
and they were ready to leave to their places, they did not miss
at least one chance to hear me. And they have come here, but they
must have been very much puzzled. I could see it on their faces:
their seven years of seminary training was erased within three
hours!
To one sannyasin they said, "Everything seems to be good,
but your master is taking only the negative side of religion and
condemning it. There are many beautiful things that religion has
done to humanity, and he is not taking them."
Now I am going to talk about "all the beautiful things that
religion has done to humanity." christ03
Friends, First I have to answer the Christian monks who have
sent many questions. Only twenty-one have come here, but now the
whole seminary is agog and talking only about what I have said.
They have sent a monk here today asking for the video; the whole
seminary wants to see it. I am sending it with Prasad, and he
has to inform them that this is only the beginning. I have been
speaking continually since then, answering their questions. If
they have any more questions, he should collect them. He should
not enter into any dialogue, he should only collect the questions.
I am going to answer them. christ05
The whole seminary, which consists of five hundred missionaries
being trained, and must be at least one hundred professors to
teach them, was agog with only one thing: they wanted to hear
what I have said. One student came here the next day, saying,
"The whole seminary is talking about only one thing—so
you bring the tape or the video." And I sent Prasad, because
he had already been to the seminary to talk to them, to explain
my philosophy to them, so he was acquainted with the authorities
there. He went there but the authorities said, "We don't
have equipment and it will take time to arrange for equipment,
so we cannot do it."
Prasad said, "Don't be worried about the equipment. I will
bring all the equipment with me."
Then they changed immediately. They said, "But first, permission
from higher authorities is needed." It was not needed before.
Now the permission from higher authorities is needed!
The next day he went again and asked, "Has permission been
granted?" They said, "We are waiting." And finally
they phoned: "You don't have to come here. We hope that within
two and a half weeks permission will be obtained."
I don't think permission will be obtained. It is just a delaying
process; after another two and a half weeks…and who are
the higher authorities? They live there in the campus! It takes
two and a half weeks to reach their bungalow? And they go every
day to the office…. fire05
Friends, you must have enjoyed the ten God-oriented people on
the Gateless Gate, shouting pathologically, "Jesus is the
only savior."
We used to have a motto in the commune in America: Moses earns,
Jesus saves, Bhagwan spends. It is just utter stupidity—saving,
earning. I have never saved and never earned. I simply spend.
When others are earning and saving, why bother?
But you will enjoy such processions more and more, because there
are more idiots in the world than you can think of. Sooner or
later they all have to come in processions.
I don't move out of my room, and the whole world is concerned
about me. Anando goes on bringing news from all over the world—such
immense concern about a single man who has nothing to be afraid
of. This proves that even nuclear weapons are weaker before the
words of a man who has arrived at the ultimate home. What are
they afraid of?
And they find excuses which make them just a laughingstock….
People's feelings are hurt… This is so sick, so pathological.
But you will have many such circuses coming here. Enjoy them,
laugh and dance. And they all had long faces, sad. Anando was
there; she told me that the man who was the leader, who was shouting,
simply needed a girlfriend. It is just repressed sexuality, which
becomes all kinds of perversions; Christianity is one of those
perversions. gdead06
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