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Part VIII : Further information about crimes
Further information is received about crimes committed by Sheela:
You talked about them poisoning or trying to poison other people.
Wasco County Judge Bill Hulse was sickened after a visit here.
Yes, that too I just heard today, that he felt also that he was
poisoned here….It is possible. The same group can do that
too. press01
There was an outbreak of salmonella last year in The Dalles.
Do You believe that these sannyasins had anything to do with that?
Yes.
Do You have any evidence of that?
Evidence police will have to find, but my sannyasins have much
information about it. press01
Just the other night we have discovered suddenly five hundred
beautiful fish died in Patanjali Lake. That means that before
leaving, that group has dumped poison into Patanjali Lake. It
is fortunate that we are not taking Patanjali Lake's water for
your use. It is being used for irrigation; otherwise you would
be, many of you, with those dead fish. bond09
Just today my mother came to see me….
And this is the ugliest thing of all. She has done many ugly things.
Laxmi had operations, major operations, in which her ovaries are
removed, and some other parts of the stomach are removed. And
she was sick few days before. She was hospitalized. Since then
she started getting better. She came back to her place, and she
was feeling very good and recovering.
Last day, when Sheela left, just one hour before, Prateeksha,
Sheela's sister, came with a glass of juice. And she had never
come, all this time Laxmi has been here, Prateeksha had never
come even to see her. And she drank the juice, and immediately
became badly sick. And she is already in a dying position.
Now to poison her? They must have thought that to leave Laxmi
alive is dangerous, because as far as coming from India is concerned,
they have committed many crimes. But they thought because they
are never coming back, so who cares? Just once they are out of
the country, and governments and bureaucracies take time to find
out… But Laxmi knows everything, so she may be dangerous.
It is better to finish her.
It seems killing became to them just an ordinary thing. Nothing
even to think about. Very casually. last322
When Sheela left, in her room, we found—the police has
taken all the evidences—books on poison. Now what she has
to do with books on poison? How to murder people, how to make
bombs…. And they have found chemicals and other elements
which are needed to make bombs. And the book on the poisons has
all kinds of poisons described, and only one poison is underlined—that
is the poison that my physician was continuously telling that
that is the only poison that is undetectable—and it is in
the description of the poison, that it is undetectable. It will
not kill the person, but it will go on weakening him.
You go on giving…within six months, the person will die
a natural death. You cannot be caught because the poison is undetectable.
And the person will not die immediately—suddenly—so
nobody can suspect; he will simply go on becoming weaker and one
day he will die. You have just to go on giving at certain periods.
And it can be given in food, it can be given in tea, in coffee,
it can be injected, it can be given in water…. last317
In her room, when the new president and my secretary, Hasya,
moved, they found a underground room which nobody was aware of,
with a tunnel going out. The house is fenced all around, the tunnel
goes out of the fence. Even if the police is surrounding the house,
it will be inside the wirings, the tunnel goes out of the wirings,
reaches exactly to the airport. An airplane can wait there and
you can immediately escape.
Doing all those things will make anybody paranoid. If you kill
people, if you poison people… last324
Two persons Sheela placed in Desiderata declaring that they had
positive AIDS tests, for the simple reason that they were not
willing to do something that she wanted them to do. This was a
punishment—you cannot find a better punishment. Their blood
was either mixed with the AIDS virus, or changed, so the test
came back from outside as positive. And after she left, their
blood was checked again—they have no AIDS.
Do you see the criminality of the mind? Putting two people who
don't have AIDS with eight other people who have AIDS is putting
them in great danger. And they cannot say anything, because the
report is coming from outside. But the blood that was sent must
have been taken from the people who have AIDS.
Sheela's intimate, her assistant in crime, was Puja, who was trying
to create the AIDS virus. I don't understand what is the need
of creating the AIDS virus, of culturing the AIDS virus. Perhaps
that would have been their next step: anybody who does not listen
to them goes to Desiderata. Without killing him, they have killed
him. last312
About six months ago there was a fire, apparently arson, at the
Planning Department office in The Dalles. Do you know if Sheela
and her gang are responsible for that?
Thank you for reminding me of it, because the same group was involved
in that. press01
She asked one of our pilots that, "Put bombs in a big airplane
and other explosives and crash the plane against the Wasco County
office. And before crashing it, you jump in a parachute so you
can save yourself."
He said, "But so many bombs and so much explosives, they
will not only destroy the Wasco County office, they will destroy
half the town. The fire will be almost uncontrollable. I am not
going to do such a thing."
He was immediately sent away to Germany, that, "You are needed
there very urgently." Because they were afraid that….
He was not within the twenty-one.
Those twenty, they did not have a pilot amongst them. That was
the trouble. So they had to ask a pilot who was outside the gang.
He refused. He said, "Osho cannot say anything like that.
He will not think even of killing an ant. And to destroy the office,
kill all the people and kill many innocent people by the side
of the office…. I cannot believe that Osho has said it."
And she told him that, "It is from Osho."
But he said, "Whatever you say, I know Him longer than you
have known Him."
He was immediately sent. He was not allowed even few minutes to
stay here, so that he cannot convey the message to anybody that
it reaches to me. And where he was sent to Germany there was no
airport in the commune, no airplane in the commune. And he wondered
what urgent purpose is there for him.
It was simply punishment.
For six months he was there. He asked many times to come back.
He was refused.
The day she left he immediately phoned. And I called him and asked,
"What is the matter? Why you were sent?" And he said,
"This is the story."
Now he is testifying. He has testified before the FBI. Now he
will be testifying before the court. last327
You will be surprised and shocked, that even my room, my sitting
room, my bedroom—they were all bugged. On the surface they
were all saying that they love me and they are ready to die for
me. What could be the reason to bug my room? And Vivek suspected
it, because her room was also bugged. Hasya's house was bugged,
and every telephone call was taped. Now, my people are not talking
politics on telephones—perhaps with a friend, with a lover.
And when I suspected this, I asked her. She said, "No. We
are simply tapping the phones of people whom we suspect are planted
by the government."
I said, "In four years, how much information have you got?
You show me."
They had not a single piece of information. So I said, "What
is the point? For four years those thirty people were not phoning
at all?"
And this is simply an excuse to listen to other people's conversations.
And it is ugly, inhuman, undemocratic. It is a crime. It is interference
in people's privacy.
I was not aware that they were even bugging my room. It will be
difficult for you to believe—yesterday we discovered and
disconnected a bugging device.
She was continuously insisting that my room should have a buzzer,
an emergency buzzer, so that the guards know immediately if anything
is wrong.
I said, "From inside what can be wrong? Guards are outside.
If anything wrong is going to happen to me, it will come from
outside. They should have a buzzer to inform me. I am living isolated.
Nobody can even see me from the outside, and I cannot see anybody
outside. The buzzer is pointless."
What she insisted was: in some emergency it may be needed. I said,
"Okay, if you are so intent, it does me no harm." But
the point was—just yesterday we came to know—when
the buzzer was removed, there was a microphone. It was a bugging
device.
I was seeing a few people once in a while. She never wanted for
me to see anybody. But I said, "This is not possible. I have
a certain message for somebody, certain instruction for somebody.
And I don't think you are capable of doing it. So the person has
to be called."
So that was the reason for bugging my room—what am I saying
to people whom I have called?
She had created almost a fascist state. It was ugly. It was criminal.
And the whole bunch has escaped. Knowing that once Sheela and
the main people are gone, the others will be in trouble because
soon these things will be discovered….
But we are not going to leave these criminals in the world. They
will destroy other communes, other people. I am going to inform
the government; I am going to inform the international police
force; I am going to inform all the communes; I am going to inform
the press media. These people should be treated as criminals.
bond02
What gave me the idea that the room is bugged was that I will
say something to Devaraj, who had just come to check me, and next
day when Sheela will come to see me, the conversation with Devaraj
was bound to come up.
And she was really stupid in that way, that she will say, that
"I had a dream last night that you are talking with Devaraj,
and this conversation happened. And not only I had the dream,
Vidya also had the same dream, Savita had also the same dream."
I told Sheela, "You don't know about dreams at all. Three
persons having the same dream has never been heard in the whole
history. You are just ignorant. You don't know about dreaming
anything. It would have been enough that you had dreamed. There
is no need for two more evidences. Those two more evidences make
your dream suspicious.
"And do you think I can accept that you all are—all
the three—intuitive? That you have some super-sensory powers?
Then you will have to give a proof.
"I can open a book, and you are sitting there, you just tell
me what page is open and that will prove everything, whether you
have any intuitive grasp of things. Or I can mark it and keep
it here on my table, and you all three dream tonight, and tomorrow
you report me what page. Otherwise, this room is bugged. You tell
me exactly right. It will be easier."
And she flatly denied. "No, how we can do this thing to you?!"
And she started crying, and…
I said, "This crying, et cetera, will not help. You simply
say whether the room is bugged or not. I can forgive you, but
you have to tell the truth."
That was the last time I saw her. Then she started avoiding me.
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And the whole commune was unaware. The things that they did were
such that they could manage within those twenty people. One was
a medical expert, one was an electronics expert, one was an electrician,
one was a finance expert. So they could manage everything within
themselves.
For example, if sannyasins were told to dig ditches for telephone
wires, they had no idea that within the telephone wires there
are also wires which are going to bug hundreds of houses.
One hundred forty-five rooms of the hotel were bugged. Even my
room was bugged. Many other houses, wherever they felt there may
be people of independent mind, of free thinking, their houses
were bugged.
The sannyasins who managed to work had no idea except those two
experts, which were within the group. So the whole commune remained
completely unaware of what they are doing.
They were taping all the telephones. They had a very sophisticated
mechanism which could tape all the telephone calls from Rajneeshpuram
simultaneously. Even the FBI people were simply surprised. They
had never seen such a sophisticated mechanism. And when they found
bugging, they said that these people have far exceeded Nixon.
For one bugging the punishment is five years of imprisonment.
And these people have bugged so many houses that one thousand
years of imprisonment will not be enough. This is from FBI experts.
I am simply quoting.
But these things were such that the sannyasins will not be aware.
They saw the wires being stretched but they could not think that
they are bugging the houses. They thought it is electricity or
telephone. last327
Is it to be assumed that she in fact wanted to replace you?
Certainly it seems so, if she wanted to kill me, or poison me
slowly so I remain sick and cannot start being again amongst my
people. Certainly that was the desire….
She tried to put guards on top of my residence. The excuse was
that they are to protect me, but the reality was different. Since
she has left, those guards have coming crying and weeping that
they have been put to pay attention to everybody who comes to
the house and the people who live in the house with me: be alert
of them. And just now, as I was coming here, somebody informed
me that the guards were told not to have any contact with the
people who live with me, not even to smile at them, not even to
wave at them, not even to recognize that they are there.
One girl was in love with one of the guards. The guard was told,
"You stop all connections with the girl, because it is possible
that one day you may have to shoot all the people of this house."
So they were not only ready to kill me, they were ready to kill
all the people who are very close to me: my seamstresses who make
my dresses; my shoemaker, my doctors, my dentist, my nurse, my
caretaker, my kitchen people, the cleaners—everybody who
lives with me in the house, they all have to be shot.
And then she insisted on having a lock on my room from the outside,
and the key will be with her. But I said, "What is the need
of that?" She said it was just in case of emergency, and
any time, if the guards phone her that there is some emergency,
she can immediately come.
I said, "You live at least ten minutes away from my house.
The guards can just phone inside the house and everything can
be arranged before you arrive." But she insisted, so I said,
"Okay, you can put it. I have no fear of death or anything—you
can put it. If it is your enjoyment and if you feel that the security
requires it, put it."
But the people of my house, my caretaker, did not feel at ease
with the idea, so she put another lock on the inside.
Then she said that, "Because you have only one bathroom and
sometimes something goes wrong with the plumbing, with the water
system, it is better to have another bathroom so that your routine
is not disturbed."
I said, "You can make another bathroom."
She made another bathroom, and just now we have discovered it
is bulletproof. Why? For what does a bathroom need to be bulletproof?
And it has a door from the outside of the house for the cleaner,
but she must have another key for that door. And from that door
anybody can enter and shoot me lying or sitting down, and escape
without entering the house. And you can even manage to shoot the
person who has assassinated me—the bathroom is bulletproof,
so no bullet can enter the bathroom. She, or anybody in her place,
has just to shoot me and enter the bathroom, that's all. And from
the bathroom she can go out without anybody in the house knowing
about it. last230
Now the guards have come crying to inform me, "We were seeing
it every day: Julian continually coming to change the tape"—the
tape was in the bathroom of the guards. "We could not open
our mouths because Sheela convinced us that it was for the master's
safety: 'If anybody enters the room—he sits with closed
eyes—if something happens in the room, you will immediately
know.'" bond12
My own milk was being poisoned slowly every day. And only now
the poor sannyasin who looks after the cows has opened his mouth,
that "Every night Puja used to come to mix something. I was
not aware that this is poison. I thought it is something herbal,
must be for your health." Certainly it was for my health!
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Just yesterday one of the doctors informed us that she was poisoned
in Sheela's house. Perhaps they were only experimenting, because
the poison was such that only her tongue became paralyzed. She
could not speak for twenty-four hours.
Perhaps that was their experiment for me.
If I can be poisoned and I cannot speak, that will be great. I
am living—that will help them. I cannot speak—that
will help them. last229
Sheela has stolen forty-three million dollars on the way, which
were coming here.
In my silent period she had whole and sole (power of attorney).
So any money that was coming from European communes, particularly
Germany, she started accumulating slowly parts of that money into
Swiss bank in her own name.
Two hundred million dollars we have put in making this desert
an oasis, and it needs more because it is a big desert. To make
it all lush green, one hundred twenty-six square miles, immense
money will be needed. It will be coming.
So she has not stolen from here, she has stolen from German communes.
The money that was to come here never reached here. So you cannot
find here anything missing in the books. It never reached to the
books. Forty-three million she has accumulated in some bank. Last
day her second person in charge, who looked after the finances,
she told me that, "Yes, we have a bank account. It is for
you."
Everything was for me—poison to protect me, how to kill
people to protect me, burning offices to protect me, trying to
kill my own physician to protect me. This too was to protect me,
that, "We have saved money in Switzerland in case You have
to leave America."
I said, "There is no question of my leaving America. And
without asking me, you have some nerve to accumulate money for
me. In whose name it is?"
It is in the name of Sheela and Savita. Savita was the second.
I asked, "What is the bank? And what is the account number?
And how much money you have got there?"
She said, "I don't remember."
Nobody forgets forty-three million dollars.
And she said, "Tomorrow morning I will be bringing the whole
detail." And she promised to President Prem Hasya that she
will give every detail and authorization, because the money belongs
to the commune, but next day morning she escaped without giving
any information. So we don't know the bank, we don't know the
number.
All that we know is from Sheela's old secretary, who is dying
from cancer in California. And it almost always happens, when
a person is dying he wants to unburden anything that is heavy
on the heart. She wrote a letter that Sheela has forty-three million
dollars and she is trying to reach here before she dies to give
us all the details that she can remember: what is the bank and
what is the number and how much money exactly is there.
There can be more money because she has not been Sheela's secretary
for long. If in her time it was forty-three millions, now it must
be double the amount.
We have informed, and once she comes she can give her affidavit
to the police. Now it is their work. We don't want to take law
into our own hands. It is their work to find out and inquire.
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Sheela has done that kind of thing before, too. While I was in
India she managed three hundred thousand dollars through her brother,
Bipin, to swallow it, but in such a way that the whole blame went
on Bipin. And Bipin was in America, and we could not do anything
about it. And, very strangely, while she was… He had never
been here, but the day she left here he was here. Before she left,
for two days he was here, perhaps making arrangements. In fact,
purchasing this land Bipin was also the part. The owner was the
friend of Bipin. Nobody was purchasing this land. Highest price
that was offered was three and a half million. And Bipin managed
through Sheela to purchase in seven million. Now I suspect that
they both must have got at least two million out of seven million.
press01
You will be surprised what they did. They had committed all kinds
of crimes. They moved all the literature from India that was the
cost price, ten million dollars, they sold it to Chidvilas, the
center in New Jersey.
According to Reserve Bank of India, those ten million dollars
had to come back within six month; that is their limit. They never
came back. That was not their intention, that they should come
back.
And things like that. Many things they did, which were not right—false
papers they produced.
And what they have done now? Here, they poisoned Laxmi, and from
Switzerland, they informed the Indian government of all the crimes
that they have done by the Rajneesh Foundation of India. They
were just going to give it again the tax exempt status, within
two days, and they phoned that "Stop that, because all these
crimes have been committed by the Foundation trustees."
And they were clever enough—Savita, Sheela, Vidya—nobody
was a trustee. All the work they were doing, but they were not
trustees. So now five trustees who had nothing to do with it have
received arrest warrant. And Jayantibhai had to put seven hundred
thousand rupees for some guarantee, and the tax exempt status
has been stopped.
Everything was ready. Papers were ready. Papers were signed
by the Finance Minister, but everything has been stopped. And
all the crimes were done by these people, but now all those crimes
are on the head of those innocent people who had no knowledge
of it. last322
I had sent Sheela to India to look for a location in the Himalayas,
because I had told her one year before that if this continuous
government fight is going to be there…I had told her that
sooner or later they will take a drastic step to finish the commune
at whatever cost. And that's what they did. So I had sent her
one year before to look for a location where I wanted to start
this new phase of work….
Rather than looking for the place, for seven days she remained
in Delhi, informing us from there, "Because of Punjab and
India's central government, and Indira's assassination"—that
was the time—"it is very dangerous to move in the Himalayan
areas, so I am stuck in Delhi. If you say so I will go, but it
is dangerous."
So I said, "You come back. Don't take an unnecessary risk;
after a few months you can go again."
She was not aware of the fact that one sannyasin she had asked,
who must have been close to her in Poona, meanwhile got married
to the daughter of one of my brothers. She asked the sannyasin—not
knowing that he had got married to one of my brother's daughters—she
asked him, "You have an approach to the government"—he
lives in Delhi—"so try to create something so that
Osho cannot re-enter India."
I had sent her to find a place where I could move in case the
government becomes absolutely mad—and that was going to
happen. Instead of finding a place, she was trying to create a
situation so that I could not enter India.
So the question was with me continuously that if I say "No"
to the people who are in power, then they start being destructive.
If I say "Yes" to them, then I go through a deep suffering
that they cannot understand. Any one of my sannyasins, anywhere,
unnecessarily harassed is a torture to me. So now I don't want
anybody to be on top of any sannyasin. light12
And, by the way, it reminds me one thing more. Sheela was married
to one American sannyasin, Jayananda. But because she wanted to
escape from here before all these things explode, either from
internal sources or from government agencies, if all these things
are exposed, then she had to make some place where to go. So she
married one Swiss sannyasin. Just one month before, she went to
Mexico. She never told me that she is going to marry. And this
was bigamy, she was already married to Jayananda and she married
a Swiss sannyasin just to get a Swiss residence. Only later on,
legal people suggested her, that this is bigamy, and you have
committed a crime. So she rushed to Nepal getting a divorce predated;
in poor countries you can get, just a little bribe. So she got
a divorce in Nepal which is false. She has committed bigamy. Poor
Jayananda was not yet aware, because he is in Australia. She sent
him to Australia so that he does not create any trouble and does
not make any fuss. press01
But the third husband is in the jail. He is in the jail because
he also tried, on Sheela's instructions, to take the money out
of the bank. It is not those forty-three million, it is another
account of the Zurich commune. The money belongs to the Zurich
commune. Dipo was one of the trustees and he has taken the money
for his personal use, the whole money, and closed the account.
I don't know right now exactly how much money he has taken, but
from all over the world news is reaching.
One woman from Geneva who had been my sannyasin long before
Sheela came into my contact. She has informed that Sheela's whole
business was selling drugs, particular heroin. And while she was
going to Europe the excuse was visiting the communes, but the
reality was heroin. She has been doing the business in selling
gold also. I have called that sannyasin to come here, because
she will be an eye witness, because Sheela and she were both very
close friends. She knows every detail, that how much money she
has got out of drugs, how much money out of gold, how much money
she has taken out of the communes. press04
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